Diversity: Greatest Strength or Greatest Threat?
March 2, 2009 by guywhite
“We didn’t have the wonderful diversity of people that you have here today,” said Hillary Clinton during her 1995 trip to the Chicago school she attended as a child. “I’m sad we didn’t have it because it would have been a great value, as I’m sure you will discover.”
At the time when Hillary made this declaration, her own daughter was a High School student. Neither Mrs. Clinton, nor her husband (“America’s First Black President”) thought it advisable to send their child to a “diverse” school. President Bill Clinton may open a library near the Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas – a school at the center of integration battles in the 1950s – but he won’t let his child anywhere near it. Are we to believe that Bill and Hillary refused to send their daughter to a diverse school because they hate Chelsea? Are we to believe that the rich always send their children to lily-white private or suburban schools because they want to make sure that space is open in “multicultural” schools for the poor who cannot afford either private schools or homes in wealthy suburbs with non-diverse schools?
There’re practically no Whites who had a choice who’ve opted for “diversity”. After the U.S. Supreme Court imposed integration and forbade segregation, the rich and the middle class escaped to suburbs as soon as minorities began moving into their neighborhoods. It was the so-called “White Flight” that led to the creation of not only the suburbs, but also the building of most American highways built since the Brown v. Board of Ed decision. For Whites to live in the suburbs, they needed effective infrastructure to move from the suburbs to the major cities where they worked.
The rich and the middle class used their political clout to lobby for highways that allowed them to escape “diversity”. Many of the highways and other public works projects were built in a way to protect urban White areas from “multiculturalism” by leaving minorities on the “other” side of the government project, thus slowing the flight of Whites (and the taxes they pay) from cities.
Diversity is a failure not only in the United States, but throughout the world. Over the long term, the only result of diversity is war. Different African tribes are at each other’s throats in every country they are forced to share. Muslims fight each other, Sunnis against the Shia, Arabs against Kurds against Persians.
We are told to believe that Mexicans, Muslims and Africans will integrate into Western societies. But what proof is there? Similar people may overlook their differences and integrate within a generation or two. But where do we see people of different races successfully integrate into one?
To the extent diversity works anywhere, it is a result of the White Westerners’ belief in the God of Multiculturalism and Peace. During the first half of the 20th century, European and Western nations fought the two bloodiest wars of all time. This was not a result of White brutality, but rather a product of innovation that created airplanes, tanks, rockets, missiles, machine guns and other deadly weapons. Coming out of World War Two, the White Man was simply tired and could not go on fighting. The idea of embracing each other seemed like a way out of a permanent disaster with constant warfare. And so the West agreed to look beyond one’s tribal instincts and embrace one another. Of course, that is relatively easy for nations that are similar. The French embraced the Walloons. The Germans embraced the Dutch. The Norwegians embraced the Danes. The WASPs embraced the Irish. The Askhenazi (European) Jews embraced the Sephardic (Middle Eastern, Central Asian and Spanish) Jews. But it’s easy for people who are already similar to join hands and sing the kumbaya around the campfire.
But what to do when Muslims who believe in covering up their women from head to toe arrive in Holland, a place famous for its libertine sexual mores? What to do when Africans arrive into Western countries and set fire in the middle of their hotel rooms when they want to cook food? Or when Mexicans demand that the City of Los Angeles spend money celebrating Cinco De Mayo rather than the Fourth of July? Most cultures would fight back. But Whites simply back down and go along with their own cultural destruction for the fear of being called racist.
Italians can live in the same neighborhood with Jews, and Germans can live with the English. But outside of their own race, they all feel uncomfortable. No White person will admit that he is unhappy about de-segregation forced upon them, but all Whites – those who joined Civil Rights marches singing “We Shall Overcome” and those who stood in front of school doors to prevent integration – oppose de-segregation when it comes time to choose the neighborhoods where they lived and schools where they sent their children.
Research by Harvard University’s liberal Professor Robert Putnam shows that the more diverse communities are, less its inhabitants trust anyone – from their next-door neighbor to the mayor. “The effect of diversity is worse than had been imagined. And it’s not just that we don’t trust people who are not like us. In diverse communities, we don’t trust people who do look like us…. They don’t trust the local mayor, they don’t trust the local paper, they don’t trust other people and they don’t trust institutions. The only thing there’s more of is protest marches and TV watching.”
This is true not only for Whites, but for people around the world. Almost every conflict around the world has a racial/ethnic character, usually because “diverse” people are forced to live together. When Sudanese Arabs meet Sudanese Blacks, they do not discuss the benefits of diversity – they brutally slaughter each other. Hutus and Tutsis prefer murder to being enriched by multiculturalism. Israel repeatedly clashed with its Arab neighbors. Christian Armenians locked horns with Muslims, whether in Turkey or in Nagorno-Karabakh. In the nearby Georgia, terror and warfare is seen in the diverse regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. The USSR, which for generations used force, shame and propaganda to create a New Soviet Man who did not care about nationalism, fell apart as everyone reverted back to their ethnic groups. Whites in Africa were largely kicked out of almost every country, from Algeria to Mozambique, and even the last white communities in Zimbabwe and South Africa will likely be gone within a generation.
The most consistent and significant problem in the United States has come from racial diversity. When groups of kids clash in high schools or when gangs attack each other in jail, we do not see class warfare – we see diversity wars. It is not the rich fighting with the poor – it is usually Blacks engaging Hispanics (and sometimes other races, ethnicities or nationalities). South Californian Blacks do not consider illegal Mexican immigration “enriching” – they see it as a threat. Were it not for security guards and police, as well as metal detectors, schools in poor South Californian districts that feature large Hispanic and Black populations would’ve been filled with rivers of blood.
The history of the rise of American suburbs is a history of a desperate White flight away from schools that were being filled with Black children. It is undeniable that suburbs would not be even a quarter of their current size but for school integration and busing of kids into schools outside their neighborhoods to forcibly mix races. White teachers ran from the schools that turned Black, and even government programs giving educators significant additional benefits (such as full tuition reimbursement in a Master’s degree program) cannot attract Whites into predominantly Black schools.
But while the rich and the upper middle class built a virtual wall around themselves in their suburbs and neighborhoods, the poor couldn’t just abandon their homes because they didn’t have the money for a second house, and could not sell the home they lived because of the drop in property values caused by crime and decay brought on by the Blacks.
Even those renting their apartments often found it impossible to move out of “inner cities.” Many couldn’t afford to buy cars needed to move from suburbs to their city jobs, or they couldn’t afford to spend 3-4 hours a day traveling because they had to be home to cook, clean, paint, fix the car and perform other duties for which the rich hire help. They also could not afford to “buy” protection from diversity by donating time and money to the campaigns of influential politicians who would then build shields in the form of government buildings, colleges and highways around their remaining neighborhoods to prevent minorities from moving in, as was done for the upper class Whites.
The poor were stuck with “diversity”. Most of the poor were not educated, and could not articulate their arguments properly. Due to their lack of education, they could not explain that they want to live in their own culture, and do not want to face all the benefits of multiculturalism: “white bitches” raped in building stairways, guns brought to schools, drugs sold in parks, elevators treated as bathrooms, and vicious gangs beings the normal after-school activity for 13-year-olds.
Instead of properly articulating their concerns about crime and shockingly different cultural norms of minorities, the uneducated poor yelled racial epithets. The so-called “rednecks” may not have read Henry David Thoreau and Jean-Jacques Rousseau, but they surely could understand when their daughter came home brutally beaten and raped by Tyrone and Darnell, as their girlfriends Laquisha and Uneeq pulled out the hair of the “white bitch”.
The rich could afford to support diversity and integration in theory precisely because they could afford to avoid it by moving into different neighborhoods or the suburbs where their children could attend schools that were near-exclusively White. The poor opposed integration because there was no way for them to escape it other than by preventing minorities from moving into their neighborhood or attending their schools. For the poor, integration laws had a direct effect on their lives. To the wealthy, it was a politically popular theory support for which made them “nice” and “open-minded”. Racial self-flagellation became a way to improve one’s reputation. That the rich were usually educated and the poor weren’t also made the integrationists feel not only that they are good people, but that they are also smart for taking a politically-correct point of view.
And so the rich felt morally and intellectually superior to the “rednecks”. They would never yell racial epithets in public. And they usually worked with a limited number of exceptionally-well educated minorities without a problem. In fact, a few exceptionally well-educated and high-income minority families may even live in their neighborhood.
Of course, nobody in their neighborhood is named Tyrone or Laquisha, nobody has two children at the age of 15, nobody sells guns in schools and nobody urinates in elevators. The few Black people they see are exceptional and do not “Stay Black” or consider education and marriage a sign of “acting White”. You don’t live in a “diverse” neighborhood if none of your neighbors are named ‘Uneeq’ – and everyone spells the word as ‘Unique’ …
Posted in Dialogue on Race | Tagged diversity, multiculturalism, race, race realism, racialism, racism | 8 Comments »
The Gay Right
March 2, 2009 by guywhite
I find it very interesting that the anti-Moslem right in Europe has so many gay people. Pim Fortuyn was a flamboyant gay man. He was also an admirer of former Dutch Prime Minister Joop den Uyl, a socialist, and in general was not the right-winger the media made him out to be.
Joerg Haider was also semi-openly gay. He didn’t discuss it, but not did he hide it. He frequented gay bars and since almost everyone knew who he was, it was certain that at least people would recognize him there.
Those are just the two most prominent far-right gays. There are others, some openly and some I’ve heard rumors about, and whether those are smears or truth is not known to me. But at least some might be gay.
I wonder how much of the anti-Islamic message is driven by “Moslems will stone me to death if they take over” fear.
More practically, I wonder if gays could be potential allies for us. If not in the US, then at least in Europe.
Austrian far-right parties have made gains at the cost of the governing Social Democrats in two regional polls.
In Carinthia, the main winner was the Alliance for the Future of Austria of the late Joerg Haider, with 45.5%. The Social Democrats trailed with 28.6%.
The centre-left Social Democrats also lost ground in Salzburg, but still came first with 39.5%. The far-right Freedom Party won 13% there.
The far-right gained nearly 29% of the vote in September’s general election.
However, neither the Alliance nor the Freedom Party were invited to join the reconstituted coalition government formed two months later by the Social Democrats and the conservative People’s Party.
Sunday’s regional elections in Salzburg and Carinthia were the first to put to the test the popularity of the government, which has focused in recent months on dealing with the problems confronting Austria in the face of the global economic downturn.
Correspondents say that in Carinthia the Alliance had led a campaign focused on the legacy of Haider, who was the state’s governor for 10 years.
“We will look after your Carinthia,” the party’s posters said.
Haider was killed in a high-speed car crash near Klagenfurt last October. His blood-alcohol level had been well above the legal limit.
He became a potent force in the 1980s and 90s, championing what he called traditional family values and an end to immigration.
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Are Whites Wealthier than Blacks because of slavery?
March 2, 2009 by guywhite
By the way on the issue of the wealth built on slavery going on to our generation: everyone conveniently forgets that the Emancipation Proclamation provided for UNCOMPENSATED emancipation, thus wiping out the wealth that a slave represented.
A slave was worth roughly what a Mercedes-Benz is today in inflation- and buying power-adjusted dollars. When millions of Southern slaves were emancipated without compensation, that meant that slaveowners were ruined and the entire region economically devastated.
That’s not even counting the scorched earth tactics: the farm burning, city flattening efforts of the Union Army that caused even more economic catastrophe. And the enormous fraction of Southern manhood that was killed or maimed.
- Irish
This is a good observation. I also pointed out before that white countries without any history of African slavery are just as wealthy as white countries that had black slaves. (The money made off of slaves would be long gone by now, destroyed by inflation and maintenance of families for 150 years.)
Never mind that only a tiny percentage of whites are descendants of slave owners and most - Irish, Italians, Jews, Poles - didn’t even arrive here until after slavery was eliminated in the country or at least the state where they lived.
But one more thing: compare the South to the North.
The slave-owning South was poorer and remains poorer than the North. If white wealth is/was the product of slavery, wouldn’t you think that the South would be wealthy and the North would be poor? And states that never had any slavery, like Washington State and Alaska, would look like Haiti?
Even if all whites in non-slave states magically benefited from slavery, wouldn’t you still think that those in the South would benefit more than those in the North? And those in the United States prior to 1861 would benefit more than those who showed up here after the last former slave was already dead? Why is it then that we do not see any correlation between slave ownership and wealth?
The idea that whites do well today not because of their intelligence and culture, but due to the history of slavery does not survive the most basic logical reasoning.
Posted in Slavery & Africa | Tagged legacy of slavery, race, race realism, racialism, racism, slavery | 1 Comment »
Moslems Are A Priority For Scots
March 2, 2009 by guywhite
This is from Gates of Vienna:
Scottish forces ordered to give priority to crimes against Muslims
by Dean Herbert
Police in Scotland have been ordered to give special priority to crimes where the victims are Muslim.
In a move that last night sparked a fresh row over political correctness, a senior officer revealed that the race and religion of a victim has now become a crucial factor in how police respond to crime.
Inspector Tom Galbraith, of Lothian and Borders Police’s diversity unit, told a conference on tackling terrorism that it was important to stop Scottish Muslims feeling “vulnerable” in case they were driven towards radicalism.
Mr. Galbraith said the force encouraged officers to consider the religious or ethnic backgrounds of victims to assess their needs in dealing with hate crimes.
He said that both an attack and a perceived lack of action by police could turn Islamic youths into future terrorists.
Mr. Galbraith also revealed that police officers, Special Branch and BAA security staff were being given special lessons about Islamic culture after Muslims complained that being questioned when entering the country about whether they pray and attend mosques was offensive to their faith.
Speaking at a national security conference in Edinburgh on Thursday, Mr. Galbraith said, “It is not about treating everybody the same.
“If I have a young Asian man who has been subjected to a hate crime, I would rather put more resources into that than if it had happened to a white male because the white male is far less likely to end up becoming radicalised.”
He later confirmed that his remarks were in line with Lothian and Borders Police policy, saying that cases of hate crime were assessed “by need”.
He added: “You have to consider cases according to need. The idea of treating people all the same is a bit naive and we have to remember that there are vulnerable individuals who can be put on the path of radicalism.”
Last night, the police were criticised for being too politically correct in dealing with hate crimes.
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During the conference, Mr. Galbraith also said that police officers and airport security staff were being given lessons in Islamic culture to avoid offending arrivals.
He said: “Sometimes they will be asked “Do you pray?” or “Do you visit mosques?” when they arrive in the country.
“This kind of thing is derogatory to the Islamic faith. A lot of people then wonder what is wrong with going to mosques in this country.
“It is about making an effort in learning about other cultures and faiths.”
He later confirmed that training in Islamic culture was now on-going among officers.
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Naked Assertions With No Proof
March 2, 2009 by guywhite
I promised to respond to Catherine because her arguments are typical of leftist college students.
As do all liberal students, she has spectacularly high self-confidence. She wrote that “white people are too threatened by my arguments and intelligence” and was extremely proud that she could get her “point across in such an articulate and eloquent fashion.”
I will give you a second to stop laughing.
Ok, done laughing?
The reality of course is radically different.
She’s clearly incapable of analyzing ideas or creating coherent arguments of her own. Everything she wrote was regurgitation of her professors’ leftist propaganda. I’ve heard it many, many times before. There is no reason for me to allow her “contribution” to this blog because every time a liberal shows up here, they write the same thing. We already have the exact same arguments, probably a dozen times.
Furthermore, she cannot comprehend the difference between a conclusion or a statement on one hand and a reason or proof on the other. She thinks she can just say things. And in response, she responds with “WTF!!! Okay, first of all, I’m a GRADUATE STUDENT, so I’m well aware what “peer-reviewed” scholastic journals are. Secondly, I don’t need any references, statistics, or citations.”
Honestly, “wtf” would be the only proper response to a sentence like that.
Her other “eloquent” writings included phrases like “horse shit”. When I don’t want to allow that on my blog, she thinks I am threatened by her intelligence.
Now let me respond to her “eloquence” and “intelligence” directly.
Okay, “Guy White”… I WILL prove that white privilege exists.
Prove involves some kind of proof. Not naked assertions. I won’t go into word roots and other concepts you won’t understand, but how’s this: do you think it’s a coincidence that the word “proof” and the word “prove” sound similar?
What I WON’T do is waste my time proving that Blacks have LONG been stereotyped in the media as criminals and thugs, because any idiot can already see that.
This is the kind of intelligence that I feel so threatened by. It’s amazing how nobody can find a single example, they just choose to attack me. And I don’t care what “any idiot” can see. I’d like to know what intelligent people can see. What idiots like you see does not really concern or bother me.
It’s really not rocket science.
Show me the proof.
I am now convinced that white people are delusional.
Naked assertion, not proof.
No wonder you people are consistently playing the victim role
Assertion, not proof. I know how you are against peer reviewed scholarly publications and studies, but please cite a few examples at least.
Also, I wonder how you would react is someone wrote that “you people are consistently playing the victim role” in reference to blacks. God help any white person who uses the term “you people” in reference to blacks.
when it’s CLEAR that you are at an advantage in this country.
Just an assertion, please give us some proof.
So, for the sake of your hallucinogenic mentality
Personal attack meant to intimidate me so that I will agree with you in hopes that you won’t call me psychotic anymore.
I will list the reasons that prove that you are at an advantage in this country.
Now watch her inability to grasp the difference between a list of reasons and a list of assertions.
– When you walk into a store, you are not immediately followed by employees who think you will steal something. (Edit: And if you ARE followed, it is because you just LOOK suspicious… but you can be SURE that it has nothing to do with your race. Meanwhile, a Black person could be dressed very nicely and STILL be followed).
Both statements are naked assertions supported by nothing. You don’t know if I am followed, you don’t know what I look like, and most importantly, you have no studies to back this up.
And if blacks are followed more, it is for the same reason that teenagers and elderly women are followed more than adults: some people are just more likely to steal.
– If you drive down the street in a nice, expensive car, you are not followed by police who assume that you probably stole the vehicle or acquired it through illegal means.
In fact, this has been disproven. The whole “driving while black” theory is bogus. After the NJ racial profiling scandal a study was conducted and found that the whole idea is a lie. But again, you just made a naked assertion, and failed to back it up with either scientific studies or even anecdotal examples.
– When you do well in school and excel above your classmates, you don’t have to worry about your instructor being shocked, saying, “Wow! You’re really smart!” as if that’s unusual for someone of your race.
I never saw this done for blacks. I did have a black professor who told me in my freshman year Speech class that she was shocked that I gave a good speech when the whole semester to date I left an impression as someone who is a troublemaker (she used the word ‘playboy’ but that’s what she meant) who came to class only to cause trouble and crack jokes.
– Since this society is still controlled by Whites
Just a conclusion, not proof.
you don’t have to worry about the insitution of racism.
Again, just a conclusion, not proof. Whites have to deal with affirmative action, racist scholarships for minorities only, and the legal system discriminates in favor of blacks and against whites.
There are no laws that favor whites, and many that discriminate against them. Every standardized test has a commission that makes sure that questions on which blacks fair poorly or whites fair well are dumped. For this reason, all the admissions tests such as SAT, GRE, GMAT, LSAT and so on, over-predict black performance and under-predict white performance.
See, what I just wrote about tests is called proof. What you wrote is just an assertion.
Even if you are discriminated against because you are White, what effect can it really have on you other than getting your feelings hurt??
I could lose my job or not get it in the first place; I could not get admitted into college; I could get a longer prison sentence; I could get arrested for a minor crime like public drunkenness for which blacks are far less likely to get arrested. All of these are facts I’ve written about before - and I actually cited evidence for all these assertions.
On the other hand, Blacks and other minorities can be passed over for jobs and have their resumes tossed out simply because they have an ethnic-sounding name.
Again, this is just an assertion without proof. And a false one too. Blacks are so rarely discriminated against that you have to come up with all sorts of concepts like “unconscious discrimination” so that they could the law suit gravy grain. At most, you argue “disparate impact”, as if the lack of blacks in management and in other high IQ occupations has nothing to do with the lower average black IQ.
(And affirmative action does not hurt you
Naked assertion
It only gives an equal chance, preventing discrimination
Naked assertion.
Maybe the Whites who think that unqualified Blacks get into schools and jobs over them are just too racist to believe that perhaps it’s just that the Black person was MORE QUALIFIED THAN YOU.
If blacks were more qualified, then businesses would be tripping over themselves for their services without any affirmative action. Those businesses that did not hire blacks would lose in a marketplace competition. Instead, Washington Mutual - which would always win “diversity” prizes - went bankrupt.
Consider this: if a black student with a 2.7 GPA and 950 SAT score (out of 1,600, not sure how the new thing works) gets accepted over a white student with a 3.7 GPA and 1,300 SAT score, is it not the case that a less qualified person was admitted? In what way is 950 more qualified than 1,300?
Again, what you are doing is trying to intimidate people by calling them racist unless they disagree with your naked assertions backed by nothing.
Stop and think about that for a minute. That, in and of itself, shows white privilege
So if we recognize that affirmative action means accepting a student who got 950 ahead of someone who got 1,300, then we are racists and have white privilege?
In what way does it prove white privilege? Again, this is just a naked assertion.
White people will ALWAYS assume
Isn’t saying “whites always” … ummm…. how do you say… racist?
that if you get into a good school or a good job, it’s only because of affirmative action and you just
COULDN’T have really been qualified… which goes back to my previous point).
That’s because it is true. George Mason Law School tried to recruit blacks without giving them affirmative action. But nobody wanted to go there. You know why? Because if a black person deserved to go to GM Law, they also could get affirmative action to go to Harvard. So GM Law needed to give affirmative action to someone from a lesser law school or someone who couldn’t go to law school period in order to get any black students. I’ve written about this before.
The fact is that ALL the blacks in ALL competitive and semi-competitive schools are there on affirmative action. If you actually deserved to go to whatever school you are going to now, you would’ve also had the option of getting affirmative action to a better school, so you’d have gone there.
– You are recognized as an individual.
Like when you called us “you people” and said that “all white people” do bad things to you. Again, naked assertion on your part.
You can chew your food with your mouth open, join a gang, have bad credit, flunk out of school, or be a serial rapist without having it being attributed to your race!
And yet, I can’t live my life without being told that I am responsible for slavery and that if I have any money, it must be because my grandparents were mobsters during the prohibition. That very few whites were either slave-owners or mobsters (nobody in my family) isn’t a concern for you. Just as long as any white person somewhere did something bad, you attribute it to whites.
Your assertion - without any proof, of course - is just the opposite of reality.
If a Black person or other minority did any one of those things, it would be blamed on our entire race.
Naked assertion. The reality is the opposite. You can never say anything about blacks, even as individuals. Otherwise, you are - horrors! - a racist.
When we step out into the world, we are essentially representative of our entire race. We are NOT seen as individuals by society.
Again, just a naked assertion with no proof. I am getting tired typing “naked assertions with no proof”.
– If you don’t make it in this world, you only have yourself to blame.
I tend to agree, though affirmative action is responsible for at least some people. But whites are to blame for their own problems. Blacks are never to blame. They are just helpless victims. Right?
A poor white person has a greater chance of making it than a rich black person
A poor white person also has a higher IQ on average than a rich black person. IQ is a better predictor of success than anything else.
If Shameika Johnson is going up for a job against Becky Sue Taylor… even if Shameika came from a good home and a rich neighborhood and Becky Sue came from the backwoods of Kentucky, Shameika will be discriminated against solely because of her name and race.
In fact, it has been proven that the reason that Shameika might not get a call for interview after the employer sees her resume is that ghetto names signify low class, which in turn mean violence and low IQ. People with low class names always get discriminated against in all societies.
Blacks with normal names don’t get discriminated against and whites with low class names do.
People will make assumptions about her and may choose not to hire her.
And about a white person with a low class name. And blacks in Africa do the same thing even when race doesn’t matter there.
(If one believes racism no longer exists, they need only to turn on their television or read a newspaper!!)
Naked assertion with no proof. Please cite a few examples at least.
– If White privilege does not exist, then why is there such a disproportionate amount of minorities living in poverty in comparison to Whites??
Low IQ. This is a scientific fact acknowledged by the American Psychological Association.
Do you think these people would CHOOSE to live in poverty?
No, but they are just unlucky enough to have been born - and it’s proven that this is genetic - with low IQ.
You may think that the effects of slavery are over, but they aren’t.
Naked assertion with no proof. How come other people can get over their troubles from the 19th century, but never blacks?
Many Whites gained wealth from the work of slaves that still exists within their families today
None did. None. Literally. Zero. None.
First, even among those whites who lived in pre-1861 America only a small percentage owned slaved. Today, most whites are descendants of post-1861 immigrants.
Most importantly, the few whites who actually were slave owners didn’t make enough money to last them 150 years. Nor is the amount large by today’s standards considering inflation. Inflation alone would’ve killed whatever the person made had his descendants not made money on their own.
Black slaves were the ones that did the work and they and their families never benefitted from it.
White countries like Switzerland and Finland which had no slaves are just as wealthy as the US. Blacks who live without a white majority that sponsors them with welfare and affirmative action turn their habitat into… Africa! Filthy, disgusting, destroyed, poor Africa.
There’s no doubt that whites would’ve been just as successful without blacks because, well, we are just as successful in all the countries, except those recently under Communism (and they are rapidly growing since the fall of Communism).
Then, there was segregation which forced Blacks into unequal housing and schooling
Nothing to do with you. Black-majority schools today receive far more funding on average than white-majority schools. Washington DC spends more than 300% more than Utah per student, yet blacks there still underperform Utah’s white students. What does that tell you about funding not making a difference, or at least not as much as IQ?
As for housing, nobody forced blacks into the housing. They got free apartments in the projects, but were welcome to get a job and pay their own way. It’s amazing how whites are forced to pay for black housing, then blacks destroy it, and blame whites for making them live in bad neighborhoods. Again, I’d like to use your favorite word here: wtf!
this has been a viscious cycle
No, it’s just the low average IQ.
If you are being unequally educated
Right now you get more school funding, so what’s the problem now?
then how do you acquire the skills to make it in this world and bring yourself out of poverty???
The way that European Jews have. As soon as legal discrimination was over, they didn’t complain about past persecution, but instead educated themselves. But then again, they don’t have low IQ.
Money doesn’t just drop out of the sky for these people.
And neither does it for anyone else. Your hateful assertion that it does for white people is, ummm… racist.
– You can turn on the television and see people of your race WIDELY represented
That’s because whites are a majority in this country. The Japanese are widely represented in Japan. Arabs are widely represented in Yemen. Blacks are widely represented in Nigeria. What’s the problem here?
from preppy to goth to skater to jock and everything inbetween.
Yes, and meanwhile all the blacks on TV look like graduate students if they are young and like lawyers/doctors/professors if they are middle aged. Also, “inbetween” is not a word.
Minorities turn on the television and see stereotypes of people within their race.
Naked assertion without any proof. Care to cite at least one example?
As a result, society assumes that ALL Blacks or ALL Hispanics have the SAME opinions and act the SAME way
Maybe it’s because 90% of Blacks vote the same way every election. In any event, what you wrote is a naked assertion with no proof.
They fail to recognize that we are as diverse as Whites.
Naked assertion with no proof about white failure to recognize that. Or about black diversity for that matter.
If a Black person even SPEAKS, then supposedly that is the “Black voice of America.”
Naked assertion with no proof.
That is seen as the “Black opinion.” WTF?
I see you once again use “wtf” as proof. Or is it a sign of your eloquence?
(but you have the nerve to complain about our separate networks like BET. Hmmm wonder why we would have those???)
I don’t wonder, I know. It’s because you are racist.
– You can be pretty sure that an argument with a colleague of another race is more likely to jeopardize HIS/HER chances of advancement than yours.
Just the opposite. Any day you can find an ongoing law suit against a corporation for some racism that wasn’t overt, but unconscious or institutional or whatever the racism flavor of the month is. There are hardly any whites who sue, and when it happens, racism is clearly on display. I’ve touched on it in several posts.
I also posted information about whites being scared to talk about race and blacks constantly talking about it. This is because blacks are lauded for it, while whites get fired.
How come we can’t discuss low black IQ and high black crime? Do you think whites don’t discuss it because we don’t know? Of course not! We know! Almost everyone around me, even apolitical people who’d never watch CNN or FoxNews, know full well about the low black IQ and the high black crime. Yet we can’t talk about it. Why? Because we’d be punished.
But when you accuse whites of everything in the world - such as media portrayals of blacks being unfairly negative - you get away with it, even when you have no proof at all.
– If you even acknowledge that racism exists, you are a HERO…. But if a Black or other minority brings up racism, they are “playing the race card”.
That’s because a white person blames himself and tries to help another, while a black person tries to help himself and attack all others. This is where it would be helpful for me to once again use your favorite phrase: wtf!
You can talk about how Whites have it soooo bad (LOL… WTF)
There we go, again with the WTF! Whites don’t have it so bad because we have high IQ. But we are discriminated against through affirmative action and otherwise, as I stated above and in other posts.
and how they are reversely discriminated against (again, LOL)
“LOL” is not an argument. It’s an attempt to intimidate by laughing at a person to make him feel embarrassed and therefore unwilling to debate you. It won’t work here.
with no one saying anything, as if that’s okay… but if a Black person talks about the discrimination they have faced, they are “playing the race card.”
That’s because they are. When you get admitted to college ahead of someone who scored 300 points more than you on the SATs, the least you can do is shut up.
– You never even have to worry about the POSSIBILITY of being discriminated against, to the point that it could severely affect the direction in which your life takes.
Tell that to all those who didn’t get accepted because of affirmative action or didn’t get a scholarship because it was limited to minorities.
Again, what you said is just a naked assertion with no proof.
– You can go through life every day without being reminded of your race.
Naked assertion without proof. In fact, whites are constantly reminded about their race in a negative way.
I am pretty sure that EVERY Black person has, at some point, been the ONLY Black person somewhere, or one of a few
When you will be blamed for all the troubles of every other race in the world, then talk. For now, just shut up.
so we are constantly reminded that we are Black
By your own race hustlers. And by college admissions counselors who want to admit you ahead of whites.
– If you wanted to, you could arrange your life so that you would never have to deal with another person of color ever again
Not if I am an employer or a university because I would get sued.
and all of this could be done with you living a successful lifestyle in a nice, upscale neighborhood.
You people need to decide what all white people are: are we all rich millionaires or are we all trailer park rednecks?
– White women can walk into any store that sells makeup and find their shade of foundation in any texture, brand, or type that they like!
Stores sell whatever customers buy.
(BTW, why do most makeup brands carry like FIFTEEN shades of white and only 3-4 shades for darker skin tones???… when white people are all generally the same color, yet there is a HUGE diversity in the skin color of Black people…. HOW does that even make sense???)
Again, stores sell whatever customers like. Blacks spend a lot more on their hair, so there are far, far more hair products for blacks than for whites.
– If a movie starring all white characters comes out, everyone is going to go see it… White, black, doesn’t matter… because it’s considered mainstream.
That’s because whites are a majority here. A Polish movie with only Poles is mainstream in Poland. A Japanese movie with only Japanese is mainstream in Japan.
(Even Blacks who don’t particularly like whites watch “white” movies… because they are mainstream).
So what? I know white people who like watching Indian movies, so?
However, If a movie with all black characters comes out (even if they are A list actors), it is labeled “a black movie” and very few white people will go see it
That’s because those movies are meant for blacks specifically. Look at “Barber Shop” or “House Party”. They are not stories of love or tragedy or whatever else that all people may experience. They are black stories. For blacks, with blacks.
I mean… Dude, I could go on and on
Is this your “eloquent” and “intelligent” argument?
but, for the White people who insist that white privilege no longer exists… I have one question… ARE YOU SERIOUS???
I guess this is.
Seriously… this is nothing more than intimidation by ridiculing those who disagree with you. It may work on people without any self-confidence, but it won’t pass here.
White people have all of these privileges
Naked assertion without any proof. Please cite an actual example.
and yet STILL somehow manage to complain about the little that we DO get like Black history month, Black colleges, and BET.
Very nice. Those are examples of black privilege. You see, when something exists, it’s very easy to give examples.
(How selfish can you really be???)
Another attempt at intimidation.
Well I’ve already explained BET
No you didn’t. You just wrote: “you have the nerve to complain about our separate networks like BET. Hmmm wonder why we would have those???”
That’s not an explanation, that’s just an intimidation (”you have the nerve”).
and as for Black history month, it is recognized because, in general, our history is not recognized at any other time throughout the year
You have no history, just a list of black people who were fighting to promote black interest. That’s it.
You go to school and learn about White inventors and White scientists and White politicians
That’s because white investors and scientists exist. Blacks invented nothing - and I mean NOTHING - of major significance (like a computer or a car or an airplane). And those who invented anything were at least half-white.
How often do you even hear mention of Black people, except during the slavery segment in history class????
Yes, I hear about black race hustlers, rappers and athletes all the time. When blacks succeed, they are talked about.
So, just because you don’t have a particular period LABELED White history month does not mean that your history isn’t celebrated all day every day
In fact, great white people can never be acknowledged as being white. If you say, “white guy invented X”, you will be declared a racist and will lose your job.
Wake up! You sure are a selfish bunch.
This is an attack, not proof.
Your history is consistently celebrated throughout the YEAR, and that isn’t enough for you.
Naked assertion with no proof. In fact, nobody can ever point out that someone who did something good is white.
You still want to devote a month with a LABEL on it to celebrate your accomplishments even MORE.
That’s because nobody good can be acknowledged as being part of the white community and white civilization.
There is not a minority alive who isn’t aware of the accomplishments of white people
And yet, the only thing you ever say about whites is that we owned slaves and persecuted you. Why do I never hear blacks say anything good about whites?
We have these things shoved in our faces in our classrooms for our whole lives
It’s called history. I am sorry that your African relatives never invented a legitimate study of history (as opposed to unscientific bullshit called “oral tradition”), but we whites have. And being in our society gives you the privilege to learn it.
but there are white people who couldn’t even name a Black inventor or any Black person who has made a contribution to society (other than Obama… lol)
There aren’t any. Computers, cars, printing press, phones, internet, airplanes, tanks, nuclear bombs, etc. were all invented by whites. Blacks have some inventions, but nothing on that level.
We are taught that Christopher Columbus discovered America, for Heaven’s sake… which is completely FALSE… How do you discover land where people were already living??
You are an idiot. Nobody says that he invented America, he discovered it. Like I can discover a supermarket in my town. Doesn’t mean that it didn’t exist before me. Doesn’t mean that others weren’t aware of it. But I discovered it for myself and my family. Just as Columbus discovered it for himself and Europeans.
Native Americans were there first… yet you hear nothing of their history except their depictions as savages…
Yes, all the time. They are noble and whites are cruel. Do you remember the Pocahontas craze?
But you have the nerve to complain that minorities have their own history months??? How incredibly egotistical!
Another attempt at intimidation.
And Black colleges existed because WHITE PEOPLE (your great people) wouldn’t allow Blacks to attend their schools
And what happened after we allowed you into our schools?
The reason that whites didn’t want blacks in their schools is that young black men are violent, as I’ve documented in several posts. Black men commit murder at least 20 times more than white men. Naturally, nobody wants to be near a high-crime population.
so Black people decided to educate themSELVES!
More like blacks decided to give themselves a diploma because what happens in black colleges can hardly be termed education. Black colleges are only slightly more rigorous than online diploma mills where you can buy a PhD for $300.
And you didn’t even use your money for these black diploma mills: the government had to tax whites to sponsor these non-educational institutions.
As a white person, You are more than welcome to attend a Black college if you choose to
Why, thank you, but let’s remember that blacks had no college in Africa (black parts of Africa, I mean. The Arab parts had universities). These black colleges are paid for by the predominantly white taxpayers, but I thank you for letting me attend them.
I understand that most white people are delusional
See, and you said that I don’t have to worry about biased statements about white people.
Even if you aren’t aware of EVERYTHING that we, as minorities, go through some things are just OBVIOUS.
Like what?
Some privileges and advantages that you have are OBVIOUS.
Again, what is it?
You can’t be THAT oblivious.
Why was it so easy for you to give me examples of black privilege, yet you can’t do the same for white privilege?
There isn’t a white person alive that could truly deny that they have MANY advantages over minorities in this country.
And yet you can’t list any.
However, some still will.
That’s because you can’t even cite one example.
Oh sure, they recognize that they have MANY MANY more privileges and advantages over the blacks and other minorities in America
Ummm… like what? You keep repeating the same naked assertion over and over, but can you actually give me an example?
but admitting this would mean that they could no longer play the “victim” role.
I’d like to tell you the same thing, but I actually listed many examples of black privilege in this and other posts. Can you give me one?
and Whites soooo love to play the victim.
How so? Why is it that blacks sue so much more then? Again, just a naked assertion with no proof.
They have a victim mentality without a real reason for it
Naked assertion with no proof.
They complain about Blacks complaining… and they say that we “play the race card”
You already said that. Now give me some examples.
but who’s REALLY playing the race card??
You are. Check law suits for discrimination.
(They HATE to hear about other people complaining…. even when it’s warranted.. but they don’t mind complaining about stuff that’s not even reality).
Naked assertion with no proof.
When I can’t even read a news story online without the comments section underneath spewing racist comments
So don’t read the comments. God forbid we are allowed to speak our mind.
just because the story may have happened to be about a Black man or woman
Again, look at all the negative things you’ve said about whites just in this one post. Imagine if a white person had said that. And you are typical of most blacks.
who is playing the race card??
Again, you are repeating yourself. I already told you: you are!
(Hint: White people think that ANY news story about ANY person of color warrants an attack on the person’s race… even if the story has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with race).
Naked assertion without any proof. The reality, as I’ve already pointed out, is the direct opposite.
When Whites accuse Blacks of getting into good schools and good jobs SOLELY because they are Black
I already explained that all blacks in all competitive and semi-competitive schools are there due to affirmative action so this believe is warranted and justified.
… not even recognizing the fact that PERHAPS the Black person was just more qualified then them….
Just because you repeat yourself, doesn’t make it anymore true now than it was earlier in your post.
who’s REALLY playing the race card??
Dammit, you are!
Sure, Blacks complain of racism and discrimination
Exactly. You get affirmative action, free tutoring, racist frats/sororities and racist scholarships, and then you spend your college years complaining about racism to get even more. That’s playing the race card.
because it HAPPENS to them
Welfare and affirmative action is what happens to them. What you said is just a naked assertion with no proof. “Racism happens to blacks because I said it does!” is your whole argument.
but white people sure hate to hear about it
If we accept you on affirmative action and give you free tutoring and a scholarship, then the least you could do is not call us names like racists and rednecks.
they love to dish it out
In fact, they are scared to death of dishing out anything. You can shut up 90% of whites just by screaming racism totally out of the blue, even on a topic not related to race.
but then they expect us to sweep it under a rug
Sweep what exactly under the rug? Give me an example?
but, as complainants, white people are TEN TIMES WORSE than Black people
Is that figure based on a scientific study? Then how come blacks sue so much more than whites?
because AT LEAST when Black people complain about discrimination, they actually have a REASON to
Naked assertion without any proof. Care to give us some examples rather than repeating the same thing for the 10th time?
When White people complain of so-called “reverse discrimination,” they are trying to play the victim with NO JUSTIFIABLE reason!
So affirmative action and racist scholarships aren’t a reason? Why is that?
Naked assertion without any proof.
They have all the privilege in America
Naked assertion without any proof.
HOW IN THE WORLD could they be victims??
I already told you.
It’s like a case of “Who has it worse??”
The person who loses out due to affirmative action has it worse.
You know that friend you have who, if you complain that you broke a nail, she will complain that she broke her NOSE?? Yeah… that’s white people.
Instead of an unrealistic hypothetical, how about you give us a real life example? Why didn’t you do that here? Maybe because you don’t have one.
They ALWAYS want to look like the victim
You are just repeating yourself thinking that if you say it enough times, people will not notice that you give no reasons for your assertions.
and they know that admitting their privilege will mean they cannot play the victim role anymore
You already said that before.
this is why they choose to deny racism against blacks
Ok, and why is it that in this long post you still did not give me one real-life example?
even when it’s right in their face.
Like what? You’ve said this before and you keep repeating it, yet you don’t give us any examples.
It’s like the elephant in the room that everyone tries to forget is there.
Care to give me an example instead of an assertion?
So, how’d I do???
You did well enough to get an A in most college courses. You just stated some leftist assertions, repeated them 12-13 times and finally shut up without giving any proof for what you’ve said. Unfortunately, this is what passes for education today, so long as you are a liberal.
Being a liberal means you can just get away with saying whatever you want and never proving it.
In real life, you just embarrassed yourself and by being unable to cite any examples, you’ve shown that there are none. You’ve rambled on and on, stated the same assertions repeatedly, but never once gave any proof. And that’s evidence that proof does not exist.
Posted in Dialogue on Race | Tagged race, race realism, racialism, racism | 4 Comments »
Joe McCarthy was right
March 1, 2009 by guywhite
This reads like a joke, but according to AfricanCrisis.org, it really is how it went.
Notice what happened in the end to the person who pointed out the obvious.
[This is a story from one of my American friends. I removed the names. Subsequent history has proven that Senator Joe McCarth was indeed correct in his assertions back then. He was in fact, a hero. Jan]
My American friend wrote:-
I have a friend who writes comic books and magazines (his name is jj) He tells this story of one of his publishers - very famous in the comic book community for being the classic leftist hippie with the scraggly long hair, ginham anle-length dress, extreme left wing views — but a damned good publisher. her name is xx, but she goes by “yy.”
Anyway, one day she starts on this rant in the office on Joe McCarthy, and jj being the right-winger he is, is holding his tongue silen!
tly. She goes on and on for a while, and when she finally stopped for air, jj asked her why she got so worked up about McCarthy. She said that McCarthy had persecuted her parents right out of the State Department when she was a little girl, and she never forgot it. xx said that they had been persecuted for their views, and that it was “un-American.”
jj asked her what views they were persecuted for. xx said that they were communists.
jj blinked hard, then started laughing. He said to her, “So, I guess McCarthy was right. There WERE communists in the State Department!”
That was the last day jj worked for xx.
Posted in News Commentary | Tagged communism, mccarthy, mccarthyism, unamerican | No Comments »
DailyKos calls me a Poopie-Head
March 1, 2009 by guywhite
My article on the Diversity Depression was re-published on several other web sites. Someone else posted it on FreeRepublic. Here’s what mainstream conservatives think about it:
“Great article.”
“Great explanation of a somewhat complicated topic.”
“Nail. Hit. Head.”
“He’s right, but don’t expect anyone in the political world to have the courage to agree.”
“very excellent discussion.”
“All of these economic plans are simply reparations without calling it that.”
“posting it on twitter… Bingo….We have a winner!”
Note, however, the far-left DailyKos response.
They didn’t put up the main part of the article explaining how the CRA caused the problem, but even in the part that they chose to criticize, they explained nothing. Bank marketing people are salesmen. Oh the horror! Everyone else tries to sell their services: news stands, lawyers, colleges. Every time I turn on the TV, I see a commercial for some medication or a hospital, but that doesn’t mean that I get unnecessary brain surgery. If blacks didn’t want to borrow money, they didn’t have to. But banks were forced by the CRA to lend as much as they possibly could to any black person who would stop by.
The DailyKos argues that when the bank gave a $13,000 loan instead of a $6,000 loan it benefited. Not unless the loan was actually paid back! And the whole problem now is that loans were not paid back! Otherwise there would be no recession and nobody would care about banks’ mortgage practices. Whether the original bank kept the mortgage or sold it to someone else, so long as the money were paid back, there was no problem for anyone.
The reason banks had to lend to unqualified minorities is the CRA-imposed reparations in the form of loans and mortgages.
Banks were forced by race hustlers and politicians to lend ridiculous amounts to blacks and Hispanics. Now they are being blamed for it! But blacks never have any responsibility for anything.
That was really the only thing resembling an argument that the DailyKos put up. The rest of the way, they just said that things are very complicated (but how so?) and I am a victim of anti-intellectualism.
They must’ve figured, “why argue when we can just call him stupid”.
It’s amazing how the liberals’ arguments did not progress from the time they were three years old calling others “poopie-heads”.
Posted in Diversity Training & Affirmative Action | Tagged Affirmative Action, crisis, dailykos, depression, diversity, economy, loans, mortgage, race, race realism, racialism, racism, recession, reparations | 5 Comments »
Threats Against Me
February 28, 2009 by guywhite
This is from Christopher Moebs (mebzart@hotmail.com, mebzart@aol.com and crmoebs@earthlink.net).
He’s a creator of $3 a book “lefty comics”, obviously a very intellectually challenging job for a 55-year-old.
Yet another balding hippie with long, feminine hair. I am so scared!
I read your article on the Diversity recession, and I must say, I am amazed. Are you motivated by greed, or is it just pure racism? And, no, greed is not a “code word”, it is a universal absolute, an ancient and fundamental vice and a sin, if you prefer a religious spin. Of course, upon reading your article I see it would be to expect far too much for you to recognize the difference between truth and right wing racist blather. And for your information, I’m a highly educated white guy considered to be a scholar by those who know me, I’m not fooled by the nom de plume “White Guy”. Unfortunatley for you and your criminally traitorous cronies, even the slow witted are beginning to see through your lies. There are millions like me out there who are not only fed up with your racist garbage, but are determined that your kind wiil ultimately face justice (though true justice would be to crucify all corporate executives, bankers, crooked mortgage lenders and politicians along the road to Washington D.C. - Roman justice). The proof that you’re a liar (besides the article) is the fact that you hide behind an assumed name - people such as myself proudly proclaim who we are. I could go into specifics and rebut every misleading statement you make line by line, but you are not worth the effort, you slimy weasel. Crawl back into your hole before you are dealt the street justice you so deserve.
Chris Moebs, a proud patriot
Ok, Mr. Moebs. I agree. I deserve street justice. I travel quite a bit and I will probably be somewhere near you in Michigan at some point. (Did you realize that your address and phone are listed online in several places? Another person may not be as nice as I am in response to your threats.) So please just tell me when to stop by. I won’t attack you, I promise. Unlike you, I am not violent. I just want to see a liberal hippie try to assault me.
Your greatest military hero, 2004 Democratic nominee Jean-Francois Karrie, threw a hand grenade during the War in Vietnam and hit … his own butt! When Arnold Schwarzenegger called him a girlie-man, it was an insult to women. I don’t know a single woman who throws that badly.
As you try to hit me, you’ll probably miss and fall forward. Just like another liberal did when he tried sucker punching Ann Coulter. (Remember, it’s always wrong to hit a woman, unless she’s a conservative.)
The only way a liberal will be able to harm someone is if he accidentally crashes his bicycle into them.
And to answer your question why you can state your name and those who disagree with you can’t: our side is not made up of wanna-be stormtroopers who want to destroy anyone they disagree with.
You see, Mr. Moebs, I can disagree with people without wanting to kill them or even destroy their career. But you can’t.
As for being an intellectual among your friends, it’s not necessarily that hard because most people are surrounded by those of similar IQ to them. Even a person with an IQ of 75 is likely to be treated as an intellectual by at least some of his friends. When you establish yourself as an intellectual among other people’s friends, then we’ll talk.
I am pretty certain that this weed-smoking genius (also from Taylor, Michigan; has the same name; also has red hair; also like leftist politics and art) is your relative.
Reading the blog of the younger Chris Moebs, it is no wonder that you feel like an intellectual among your friends and relatives. It’s like being the greatest athlete in a nursing home for paraplegics.
Posted in Dialogue on Race | Tagged crisis, depression, diversity, economy, mortgage, race, race realism, racialism, racism, recession | 3 Comments »
Open and Honest Questions for Eric Holder & Michelle Obama
February 28, 2009 by guywhite
Not to beat this to death, but the Barack Obama administration keeps on harping on it, with new statements calling for an open and honest dialogue being issued by EPA administrator Lisa Jackson and First Baby Mama Michelle “I was never proud of America until it began voting for my husband” Obama.
So here are some open and honest topics from someone who’s not a coward:
1. It is a fact that whites have more than blacks in every way possible: education, money, lack of criminal record. There are only two possible explanations for it: whites did something wrong or whites did something right. If you will talk about all the evils whites allegedly perpetuated on blacks, today and hundreds of years ago, can we list something the good things whites may have done and some errors common in the black community?
2. What proof is there that black people still suffer from slavery 150 years ago besides your claims? Do Russians still suffer from the legacy of serfdom? If so, why did Russia get rapidly wealthier after the fall of the Soviet Union and the people of Moscow are now wealthier than most Americans? If blacks still suffer from the legacy of segregation into the black ghetto, does that mean that Jews must still suffer from the legacy of the Jewish ghetto? If so, then why are Jews the wealthiest people in the United States and every other country? Why do they score the highest on academic and IQ tests?
3. Can we discuss the fact that according to surveys of crime victims (not a survey of arrest rates, but rather a survey of victims who usually desperately want the real criminal to be caught), blacks commit 7 times more crime per capita and 10 times more violent crime per capita than whites? Furthermore, blacks commit 20 times more murders per capita than whites?
Can we discuss the fact that 32% of black men spend over a year in prison, plus at all those who did time in county jails, received probation or were never caught?
Can we discuss the fact that black criminals commit more crime against whites than their fellow African-Americans, despite usually living in neighborhoods with few whites, meaning that they purposely target Caucasians.
Can we discuss the fact that poverty does not cause crime, as evidenced by the fact that America’s crime rates were lowest during the Great Depression and highest during the booming 1960s and 1980s? When crime-prone people win the lottery or become professional athletes, they still commit crime, and when low-risk people suddenly become poor, they still don’t. A person does not go out and rape someone, or even rob someone, just because he loses a job. But a dysfunctional person is unlikely to have a job, while at the same time likely to commit a crime, whether the economy is good or bad.
Can we discuss that the reason blacks serve more time is that they are more likely to have prior criminal records? That they are more likely to use a weapon? That they are more likely to injure a victim in commission of a crime?
Can we discuss the fact that when we count for past criminal records and the level of the offense (for example, first degree battery with a gun in a dark alley vs. fourth degree battery with just fists in a bar), the criminal system discriminates against whites and not blacks? An 1996 analysis of 55,000 big-city felony cases found that black defendants were convicted at a lower rate than whites in 12 of the 14 federally designated felony categories. Several other major studies confirmed this.
Rather than harping on the 2 categories where blacks come out behind (such as crack vs. cocaine), can we discuss the fact that in 12 out of 14 categories of crime, 86%, whites are discriminated against? Why is the 14% when blacks lose so much more worthy of constant talk than 86% of categories that persecute white defendants? Can we discuss that?
4. Can we discuss the radically different loan default rates between races? Blacks default almost 40% of the time on college loans, for example, while whites default only about 6% of the time.
Can we discuss the fact that banks for forced to issue over $4.5 trillion ($4,500,000,000,000) to unqualified black borrowers which is what caused the present recession?
5. Can we discuss IQ differences? Do they exist? Does intelligence exist? Does the IQ measure real intelligence differences? Is IQ research science or pseudo-science? Who’s trying to prevent the real science about intelligence, the science that’s recognized by all the professionals in the field, from becoming known to regular people?
What role does IQ play in educational and occupational achievement? How much of it is genetic and how much environmental? Does the fact that there may be some environmental causes of IQ differences mean that whites are to blame? Could it be that blacks cause those environmental factors, such as due to the fact that they are less likely to breast-feed their children, a known IQ factor?
The American Psychological Association’s Board of Scientific Affairs set up a Task Force on intelligence research which concluded that IQ scores do have high predictive validity for individual differences in school achievement. They confirmed the predictive validity of IQ for adult occupational status, even when variables such as education and family background have been statistically controlled. They agree that individual differences in intelligence are substantially influenced by genetics and that both genes and environment, in complex interplay, are essential to the development of intellectual competence. They state there is little evidence to show that childhood diet influences intelligence except in cases of severe malnutrition. The task force agrees that large differences do exist between the average IQ scores of blacks and whites, and that these differences cannot be attributed to biases in test construction.
Can we discuss this? Could this be the source of black failure? Could this be the reason blacks go to college less and fail out of school more? Could this be the reason for crime? For high loan default rates?
6. Can we discuss the fact that black-majority schools receive far more funding than white schools, but lag behind only because the students destroy everything from the books to the walls? The state that spends least on education per student is Utah, which is almost all white. The state that spends most is New York, with a large black population. Cities spend more than suburbs and rural areas, with black-majority cities such as Washington D.C. coming out at the top. Can we discuss why is it that black kids are more deserving of funding when everything merely gets destroyed?
7. And while we are discussing spending, can we discuss why is it that whites who are about 65% of the population pay over 90% of the taxes? Why do whites pay a higher percentage of their salary than blacks? At the same time that they pay a higher percentage of their salary in taxes, whites get far less from the government. Only 38% of welfare recipients, for example, are white. Even fewer residents in housing projects are white. Can we discuss the massive transfer of wealth from whites to blacks every year where each and every black man, woman and child receives on an average over $10,000 more in government spending than what they pay in taxes?
8. Can we discuss the fact that affirmative action costs our whole economy about 8% of its GDP due to the inefficiencies it creates where businesses and the government are forced to hire based on race rather than ability? Can we discuss the fact that affirmative action costs the average white family almost $25,000 and the average Asian family over $40,000, while the average black family benefits in the amount over $17,500?
9. Can we discuss why other colonies succeed upon independence, but Africa, Haiti and the Caribbean collapsed economically? When Hong Kong was under British rule, it was wealthier than its rules in the United Kingdom and actually wealthier almost all the world’s countries. Yet black countries cannot succeed no matter what economic or political system they try, and no matter how much aid is sent to them.
Why are all black-run countries poor? If white countries keep Africa down, then show us how? Is it all those hundreds of billions of dollars in government and private aid that goes to Africa? Why is it that other countries can overcome international pressure, but Africa is always helpless? Why is it that despite a global boycott of Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe), it was wealthier under white rule than under black rule? Same question for South Africa.
10. If black people are portrayed poorly in the media, as you claim with no proof, please give us some examples? Can we discuss the fact that when Law & Order producers use real life stories, they nearly always change the race of criminals from black to white? All the alarm commercials feature white criminals. In all the movies I can think of where the criminal was portrayed as a purely unsympathetic figure, he was white. In rare cases when a black person is seen breaking the law, he’s usually fighting a bigger evil or defending his family, and the movie-watchers are supposed to sympathize with him.
Whites are far more likely to commit crime in fictional media than real life, while blacks are far less likely. Is that media bias that you speak of? Bias against whom?
If you have examples of blacks portrayed negatively (other than on the news with real life stories), can you please tell us what they are?
Finally and most importantly, can we discuss how you never have any proof for anything you say? You just make naked assertions about “racism” and “legacies”, and then intimidate people by calling them names in hope of suppressing all two-way debates, thus turning people into cowards!
Can we discuss that? No? Then, Mr. Holder, stop calling us cowards. You turned us into cowards by suppressing all debate.
The only explanations that you want to allow are those that blame whites for black failure. If you don’t allow any statements about white success or black shortcomings, then the only other explanation that is available is to blame whitey.
And isn’t that what you really want when you are calling for a dialogue on race?
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Quote of the Day
February 28, 2009 by guywhite
“You can’t reason someone out of something that they didn’t reason themselves into.”
- Ben Franklin
Not sure where I found this quote. I have been ridiculously busy the last few days and remember reading it during the brief work breaks, but not sure if it’s one of the posters on this blog or elsewhere who wrote it. Whoever it is, thank you, excellent quote and certainly does apply to all the liberals who try to argue here.
I will write a lengthy response to Catherine. I deleted and marked as spam comments where she personally attacked others with words such as ‘moron’ and ‘idiot’. I am sure in her mind it proves that I am afraid of being proven wrong with her phenomenal arguments. (Not one of which was new - I heard all of them a million times in school. Like so many college kids, she’s incapable of thinking, just regurgitating her professors’ propaganda.)
Ah yes, as soon as I read that she called Californian a moron and HardLogic an idiot, I immediately saw the light and began singing “We Shall Overcome”. Are you kidding me?!
And when asked to prove her assertions with some evidence, she either outright stated that she refuses to do so or responded with “WTF, lol”. Calling someone a moron and ridiculing their question with “wtf, lol” may pass as proper academic discourse in most universities (so long as the attacker is a liberal and the person on the receiving end isn’t), but I have no reason to allow that on this blog. It does not add anything of value to our discussions. If anything, it will drive away the intellectuals who would not want to be involved in such mud.
I haven’t had a chance to respond to her idiotism because I’ve been busy, but she follows the standard Nazi propaganda technique where if a lie is repeated enough times, people will eventually believe it, and therefore, one must repeat false conclusions as often as possible, even though it is impossible to back them up with any evidence. The point of the propaganda technique is to repeat something enough times, from enough different sources, that people will start to believe you.
Anyway, I am falling asleep here, but I will write more on this later. She’s really very typical of indoctrinated college students. Almost everyone here has a college degree and a large number went to grad school, so I doubt anything she said came as any surprise to you. To those who didn’t go to college, as you can see, you didn’t miss much.
I will use her garbage to pick apart the typical liberal college student screaming “Yes, We Can”, thinking she knows something, but who in reality is utterly incapable of analyzing and thinking on her own.
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