Regarding the Three Arrested for Discharging a Weapon Near the Spencer Rally

Andrew Anglin
Daily Stormer
October 21, 2017

Although the overall scene was a win, there was one thing that went wrong at the Spencer talk (other than the Swastika shirt guy).

Unlike the Swastika shirt guy, no one really thinks this was a planned hoax. This is a result of not following the rules, plain and simple.

LA Times:

Three supporters of the prominent white nationalist Richard Spencer have been charged with attempted murder after police said one of the men, egged on by his friends, shot at protesters “with the intent to kill” following Spencer’s speech at the University of Florida on Thursday.

It was the most serious instance of violence reported in connection to Spencer’s appearance at the university.

The event was heavily protested but mostly went off without violence, until three men in a silver Jeep pulled up to a bus stop around 5:20 p.m. Thursday after Spencer had ended his speech. They had just come from the speech and were recorded on video giving interviews to media outlets, defending Spencer’s appearance.

“One of the passengers began yelling Hail Hitler and other chants” at the people at the bus stop, according to arrest reports released by the Gainesville Police Department. “An argument ensued,” and one of the people at the bus stop, whose name was redacted, “used a baton to hit the rear window of [the] vehicle.”

Tyler Eugene Tenbrink, 28, of Richmond, Texas, got out of the Jeep and pulled out a gun, police said.

Colton Gene Fears, 28, and William Henry Fears, 30, brothers who live in Pasadena, Texas, told Tenbrink to “kill them” and “shoot them,” according to the arrest reports. At one point William Fears got out of the vehicle too, according to one witness.

Tenbrink fired one shot, which missed a person at the bus stop and hit a business behind the person, and the men then got back in the Jeep and drove away, police said. The person took down the Jeep’s license plate number and the men were arrested 20 miles north of Gainesville, with a gun found in the car, police said. Tenbrink then confessed to being the gunman, they said.

“I am amazed that immediately after being shot at, a victim had the forethought to get the vehicle’s license number,” Gainesville police spokesman Ben Tobias said in a statement. “That key piece of information allowed officials from every level of multiple agencies to quickly identify and arrest these persons.”

Under Florida law, accomplices to an attempted murder can be charged as if they had fired the shots. Police said Tenbrink is a convicted felon and could face more charges because he was in possession of a gun.

It was not immediately clear if the men had lawyers. Tenbrink was ordered held in lieu of $3-million bond and the Fears brothers were ordered held in lieu of $1-million bond, according to police.

Tenbrink came from Texas to hear Spencer speak, and he told the Gainesville Sun in an interview before the shooting: “This is a mess. I’m disappointed in the course of things. It appears that the only answer left is violence, and nobody wants that.” He appears to be the same man who leapt over a police fence after being chased away from the event by protesters.

Before the shooting, William Fears told one journalist that he supported Spencer’s message, and he also told a Miami CBS news affiliate that the “only people who think we’re the violent ones, causing violence, are people who watch CNN.”

William Fears also told the Gainesville Sun: “It’s always been socially acceptable to punch a Nazi, to attack people if they have right-wing political leanings. Us coming in and saying we’re taking over your town, we’re starting to push back, we’re starting to want to intimidate back. We want to show our teeth a little bit because, you know, we’re not to be taken lightly. We don’t want violence; we don’t want harm. But at the end of the day, we’re not opposed to defending ourselves.

I’m not going to condemn these guys totally – they’re going to jail for a long time and that is enough punishment without me throwing them under the bus – but I will condemn the lack of rule-following.

And before anything else: this isn’t attempted murder.

What apparently happened – which most media is skipping or distorting – is that the antifa attacked the car, they got out to confront them, antifa moved in to assault them, something happened involving a gun where a shot was fired, then the antifa waited 5 hours – no doubt talking to lawyers and getting a story straight – before calling the cops. The only reason you would wait five hours, with a group of people, before simply dial “911” after shots were fired is if you were putting together a story to protect yourself and harm the other guys as much as possible.

And I fully believe that the claims that these guys said “shoot them” and “kill them” are made up. That just sounds dumb, and if they were planning to do that they would have at least shot someone, instead of firing a single shot into a building.

So, I’m not sure any crime was committed.

That said, these three guys screwed up a bunch of very basic stuff.

And this is bad for not just them, but us as well – we don’t need to be tied to this type of thing.

Most Basic Protocol Violated Here

Look – we have a full guide on security at right-wing events, written by an internationally renowned security expert. And in that guide, we make it very clear: no guns, under any circumstances.

Being a felon carrying a gun is that much worse (that seems to be the only actual crime here).

I can, of course, see how the gun would have been pulled in self-defense, how the shot fired – a single shot – was presumably a warning shot, and this was all basically innocent.

But you see what happened – they’re getting charged with attempted murder. Whether those charges will stick, I don’t know, but in all likelihood, it’s going to be up to a public defender. Unless these guys have family money. Because I’m telling you right now – I’m not going to promote the legal fund of someone who violated basic rules above someone like Christopher Cantwell, who didn’t do anything wrong and is being held as a political prisoner. If these were the only guys in jail, okay – but they’re not, and the only reason they are in jail is because of knowingly violating security protocol which we’ve laid down very clearly.

Talking to Cops

Apparently – this is what is being reported – these guys all talked to the cops and admitted to something.

You are never, ever, ever supposed to do that. Under any circumstances.

Okay, so they were thinking “we just fired a warning shot in self-defense, there was no crime, we can just explain this to the cops and then only be dealing with the single felony in possession of a firearm charge” – and now they’re charged with attempted murder.

That is the way this works.

You can’t just “explain yourself” to the cops.

You don’t ever say anything to cops except “let me talk to a lawyer.”


Nothing more than that, ever, under any circumstances. No matter how long they hold you in a cell. That is all you say.


Big Deal

This isn’t a joke or a game.

This is a big deal.

We aren’t joking with you when we say “do not bring fucking guns.”

And you should all not only be doing that for yourself, but you should be self-enforcing this among anyone you’re with.

These guys are going to prison. Furthermore, it is being reported that they have “connections to extremist groups,” so other people are going to get hassled over this by the feds.

You people need to take this stuff we say seriously. We are not just talking out of our asses here. This could have been a lot worse – if a warning shot in self-defense is “attempted murder,” imagine if someone had been shot and killed in self-defense? They would call that a “terrorist attack.”


That’s what they would call you shooting someone who attacked you – a terrorist attack.

That is the situation we are in here.

And it makes me extremely angry that these guys were so reckless as to put us all in a situation by refusing to follow simple rules, thinking they know better.

We are Trapped in a Blue Whale Game Controlled by a Hostile Elite

Diversity Macht Frei
October 20, 2017

A few days ago Roger Cohen had a typically Semitic column published in the New York Times, full of classic Semitic tropes.

This is a time of growing fears, in Europe and the United States. Ghosts have stirred. Humanity never quite grows out of the buffoon’s attractions: the scapegoats he offers; the fast money; the rush of violence; the throb of nation and flag; the adrenaline of the mob; the glorious future that will, he insists, avenge past humiliations.

The Enlightenment was not the end of the story. Nor was 1989, that giddy moment for the liberal democratic idea, deemed self-evidently all conquering. An autocratic, nativist, xenophobic, nationalist reaction is now in full swing on both sides of the Atlantic — as the election in Austria demonstrates again. It demands resolute vigilance. It also demands that we listen, try to understand and resist fracture.

I posted a comment which was rejected by the NYT censors.

Your sneering at the patriotism of the goyim is really a kind of intellectual genocide. You deny people the right to their own identity, insisting that the wish for a normal human existence, living among your own people, with your own culture, in your own land, is some kind of pathology. You are a nomad who barely even attempts to conceal his contempt for the settled peoples of the world. You demand that we all become nomads like you, that our countries should be no more than hotels, mere temporary residences of convenience. Well, we don’t want to be nomads like you.

Your no-borders ideology, if consistently applied, would result in the obliteration of all the world’s peoples, the erasure of their distinctiveness, to be replaced by a global mish-mash population devoid of any character of its own. You present this as if it was some noble aspiration, but it isn’t. Like the Blue Whale game in Russia, in which warped minds try and persuade teenagers to commit suicide, it is simply a sinister demand for self-obliteration.

This metaphor of the Blue Whale game, which only occurred to me while I was making this comment, seems to me a good way of describing what is happening to us. For those not familiar with it, here is an explanatory video.

We are trapped in a blue whale game controlled by a hostile, alien elite trying to convince us to embrace our own extinction. The only way to win is to stop playing.

The Win We Needed: Richard Spencer Event was Fantastic

Andrew Anglin
Daily Stormer
October 20, 2017

Yesterday’s Richard Spencer event was fantastic.

It was a good, solid win.

Nothing bad happened. It went off exactly how it was supposed to go off.

The optics of these screaming little babies in the audience were great.

Also great, although it was probably great on accident, was having this whole group of people on stage, with Mike Enoch coming out as the attack dog when Richard got stuck trying to intellectualize an insult.

The only negative thing was a guy in a swastika t-shirt getting beat by nogs outside of the event.

But that was a small thing.

I told all of you to not go to the event to protest outside. I did tell you that. There was nothing good that could have come from that. In general, there is not much good that can come from wearing a swastika t-shirt, especially in a crowd of niggers.

I don’t want to go full-paranoiac here, but if I was a kike placing an individual in a protest to create a scene, he’s exactly what that person would look like.

No one knows this guy and he was there alone. I mean, he could just be a legit neo-Nazi who no one knows. I guess.

Whatever. No big deal.

That was the only incident, and it wasn’t much of an incident.

Basically, we cost the university $600,000 – or rather, the antifa protesters cost them that – and walked away looking like completely rational men, while the libshits looked like irate psychos who want to silence any and all discussion, and believe white people do not even have a right to exist.

So, bravo to Richard, Mike and the rest of the team.

This was well planned and went off without a hitch.

And look – Spencer can keep threatening these universities and keep getting these gigs. This keeps us in the spotlight, and there is no risk.

I am going to keep on the plan that I gave for this event – if you can’t get in, protest off-campus, wherever. I think this is a standard model. There is absolutely no reason to keep engaging these antifa and nogs on the streets. And if we go with that, then we can say that next time some random swastika t-shirt guy who no one knows shows up for an interracial BDSM photo-op.

Here’s the full stage show, for anyone who missed it.

And here’s the press conference before the event, which was actually in some ways better than the event itself.

But yeah – people shouting doesn’t matter. Having a stage show is not bad. I think that a little bit less of the “you won’t respect my free speech” would be good. I think it’s good to point that out, but once the point is made, the point is made, and Spencer should just roll with it and go straight to debate with the audience. Because they were letting him answer questions. That is how the ideas can be communicated directly, and it also goes to show that these people don’t have arguments.

A speech should be prepared, just in case there is some school that is willing to hear it. But it should be assumed that they won’t, and this model of back and forth with the audience should be assumed.

And the media will keep celebrating “protesters disrupt,” and the interest in why this normal seeming man in a suit is not allowed to say “white people have a right to exist.”

Spencer Message

I’ve obviously criticized certain aspects of Spencer’s message before, but here, overall, I don’t think there was much to criticize.

He basically gave a shoutout to American nationalism – multiple times – by saying that this country was founded as a white ethnostate.

He still talks about this “White Zionism” idea, which I don’t really think is that great of a talking point. I also, for the record, don’t really think it is a very good idea – Jew Zionism only functions because Jews control the governments, banking and industry of non-Jewish nations. Zionism as nationalism wouldn’t be possible, because the country is too small and in such a hostile territory. Obviously, Spencer’s White Israel could be placed somewhere other than around a bunch of people who want to kill us, but there are still problems with any small nation.

Of course, mentioning White Zionism gives you a chance to point to Jewish double standards. Although I don’t really think that’s very important at these types of events. They should be pro-white more than anti-anyone else. Dropping a few mentions of Jews, as they did, is fine enough.

So I think the point that “America is for white people” is much stronger (both as propaganda and in intellectual terms).

But hey – he didn’t really go into that too much at all, so it’s fine.

Last Thing

Shoutout to Spencer’s boys in white shirts.

They looked fantastic.

Exactly the type of aesthetic we need to be going for. Straight up.

DHS Chief: Tech Firms Must Act Quicker To Remove Extremist Propaganda

By Aaron Kesel

The acting U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Elaine Duke has called on Silicon Valley to remove extremist content, Reuters reported.

The United States and Britain are set to push social media firms to deal with the problem at a G7 meeting of interior ministers this week, Duke told reporters in London where she had been meeting British Home Secretary (interior minister), Amber Rudd.

“There has been a shift and for us somewhat with the Charlottesville incident,” she said. “There are a lot of social pressures and they want do business so they really have to balance between keeping their user agreements and giving law enforcement what they need.”

But that’s not all; the Trump administration is also trying to go after encryption technology.

“We would like to have the ability to get encrypted data with the right legal processes,” Duke said.

It’s an argument that has persisted since the Obama administration – should the government have backdoor access to encrypted chat apps despite being in a violation of civil liberties?

Duke said there’s been a change in the behavior of tech companies since a rally organized by white supremacists in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August turned deadly when a counter-protester was killed after a man drove his car into the crowd deliberately killing a woman Heather Heyer.[Renegade Editor: “White supremacist” is a label used by anti-Whites. The whole Charlottesville event was filled with obvious controlled opposition, and the car attack was obviously staged.]

“The fact they are meeting with us at G7 is a positive sign. I think they’re seeing the evidence of it being real and not just hyperbole,” Duke said.

Now the tech companies themselves are going to be meeting with G7 leaders to handle this problem of “extremist content.” But does that define just ISIS videos, or is the definition broader? She actually answered that question, and so has Google and its subsidiary YouTube who have begun a crackdown on content on the video platform and search engine.

“The number of foreign fighters we have returning is declining,” she said. “The number of home-grown violent extremists, most of them inspired by terrorist organizations, is increasing.”

Notice how she didn’t state ISIS, she said the broad definition “terrorist organizations.”

Google and YouTube have even begun targeting “conspiracy theories” and websites spreading “conspiracy theory as factual information without basis.”

Obama’s DHS didn’t hesitate to call those who believe in conspiracy theories potential right-wing terrorists, stating the following points might make someone a terrorist in a study by the University of Maryland, which was funded in part by the Department of Homeland Security.

  • Americans who “are fiercely nationalistic, as opposed to universal and international in orientation”
  • Americans considering themselves “anti-global”
  • Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority”
  • Americans who are “reverent of individual liberty (especially their right to own guns and be free of taxes)”
  • Americans exhibiting a belief in “conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty and a belief that one’s personal and/or national way of life is under attack”

Specifically listing Americans who love liberty as terrorists, noting two subgroups of “right-wing extremism” were identified as “gun rights” and “tax protest,” according to PJ Media.

After all, according to U.K. think tank Demos, literature from more than 50 extremist groups includes “conspiracy theories.”

So how will Trump’s administration compare to his predecessor? It has almost been a year since President Donald Trump took office and we seem to be losing more and more of our rights day by day. I guess in the eyes of the DHS I am a terrorist and so are you if you just read this article.

Aaron Kesel writes for Activist Post and is Director of Content for Coinivore. Follow Aaron at Twitter andSteemit.

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Can The Alt Right Perfect “Scientific Government”?

Understanding risk in the context of organizations involves breaking down a relatively simple definition into its multiple implications:

Business risk is the possibility a company will have lower than anticipated profits or experience a loss rather than taking a profit.

This identifies two areas of concern, first inefficiency and second, failure of productivity. Governments and civilizations, like business, belong to the category of organizations and are subject to risk, including the ultimate risk, which is that disorganization or lack of productivity will cause a collapse as seen in the Soviet Union or Venezuela.

Using the book <em</em as input, we can see how to apply risk to American civilization instead of the current government, as it is normally viewed by voters.

In our modern world, we do not refer to nations or civilizations as organic things, but as products of the state, and so when we think of risk, we worry about our government shutting down, spending too much, not taxing enough or being unable to achieve internal compromises and becoming locked up.

The Alt Right, being of a variety of conservative that occurred before the neoconservative and classical liberal forms that were adopted because of their compatibility with Leftism in the era after the French Revolution, views risk different because we see a different target: Western Civilization, or the organic and naturalistic collaboration of Western peoples.

For the crime of looking at civilization instead of the state, we are dubbed “white supremacists” and “bigots,” but in reality, we are looking at the organization which creates and empowers the state. In theory, the state is the caretaker of civilization, but once it becomes powerful enough, it simply replaces civilization with itself through ideology, usually of egalitarianism.

According to the book, risk applies only to objectives, and when civilization does not have an objective, no risk management applies to the typical threats apparently only perceived by the Alt Right. For that reason, an Alt Right view will take the opposite viewpoint: that risks lead to objectives, and not vice-versa.

In other words, civilization has an inherent objective, which is to survive in a Darwinian sense, which at some point requires encoding its values and culture into DNA so they can be passed on without relying on political constructs like the state and social constructs like equality, rights, liberty and freedoms.

Using the ISO 31000 standard, risk is defined as the “effect of uncertainty on objectives,” resulting in the management imperative to “coordinate activities to direct and control an organization with regard to risk.” The White House has no risk management for its “America First” goal because its authorization extends only to setting up a sub-organization to address risk as defined in ANSI/ASSE Z690.2-2011 Risk Management Principles and Guidelines.

In other words, governments cannot address civilizational risk, but can only look after themselves, and only indirectly. This requires us to re-interpret risk as applicable to civilization itself instead of the institutions of those civilizations. This becomes complex because risk involves both threats and opportunities. For example:

The approval of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act (ARRA) was intended to infuse the US economy with desperately needed funds. The risks associated with issuing multi-million-dollar grants and contracts as required by ARRA in such a short period of time were great: however, the opportunity to stimulate the economy and make economic gains was projected to outweigh the risks.

This means that a standard threat-versus-opportunity guideline does not exist because most people think only in terms of threats. The eventual outcome of “predicted” threat and opportunity scenarios are never confirmed after the fact meaning that lessons are never learnt and mistakes repeated over multiple administrations, as is obvious from the way risk management in American government is structured.

But at least the Government Accounting Office (GAO) has a “High Risk List” including solutions used. It address solely the government: “The US federal government is the world’s largest and most complex organizational entity, with about $3.5 trillion in outlays in fiscal year 2012.” These risks are:

  1. Limiting federal government’s fiscal by better managing climate control risks.

  2. Mitigating gaps in weather satellite data

  3. Strategic human capital management

  4. Managing federal real property

  5. National flood insurance program

  6. Improving and modernizing federal disability programs

  7. Pension benefit guaranty corporation insurance program

  8. NASA acquisition management

  9. Protecting health through enhanced oversight of medical products

  10. Protecting the federal government’s information systems and the national cyber critical infrastructures

  11. Revamping federal oversight of flood safety

  12. Restructuring the US postal services to achieve sustainable financial viability

The above risks are defined as “important” which translates to sustained manpower and budget allocations. But in the aftermath of flooding caused by Hurricane Harvey, the Manhattan Institute found that instead of mitigating the effect of flooding, that the US Government makes matters worse by tempting people into Hurricane’s paths.

Identifying “all” risks to “America First” — itself a proxy for protecting our civilization, as opposed to setting global standards to protect the world economy — is obviously not possible because it would require inputs from all managers in the American government. Identifying a risk also requires an important methodology of detection, verification and scope before manpower is allowed to define and spend resources on it.

Various sources of risk are possible, but these fail to include threats to civilization. The RIMS (Recent Risk Events) for 2013 is an example of the variety of risk, as follows:

  1. Horse meat discovered in UK beef

  2. New rule strengthens mine safety

  3. Brazil nightclub fire kills 242

  4. The cruise from carnival

  5. Meteor explodes over Russia

  6. Sinkhole swallows Florida man

  7. Data breach exposes 50 million accounts

  8. New avian flu threatens humans

  9. Massive explosion levels fertilizer plant

  10. Bangladesh building collapse kills 1100

  11. Tornadoes tear through Midwest

  12. Vermont fights patent trolls

  13. Washington bridge collapses

If you are not concerned about the risks above, you should be, because of what is missing. For example:

  • Globalism is not a risk

  • Migration is not a risk

  • Economic collapse is not a risk

  • Political succession is not a risk

  • Diversity is not a risk

  • World wars are not a risk

  • Private censorship is not a risk

These omissions present the Alt Right with an opportunity to demonstrate its rightful leadership by addressing risks that affect civilization, even if they do not affect institutions like the American government or clusters of institutions such as those which administrate the world economy.

What the Alt Right can bring to our consideration of risk is the understanding that politics is actually about life or death challenges; the government and its institutions are supposed to serve the people, which does not necessarily mean doing what they want, but in protecting them from that which can destroy them while enhancing that which brings quality of life.

This will force a move away from decadently setting “political goals” based on utopian visions of ideology, and instead toward consideration real risks. For the past two centuries we have focused on symbolic correctness, whether economic or social, and ignored consequences of our actions to the organic entity of civilization.

As the age of ideology fades, and is replaced by consciousness of the need for civilization above the desires of the individual, attention focuses on actual risks instead of what we might call political risks, or things which would displace our rulers or destabilize their institutions.

Luckily for the Alt Right, average people understand risk because they are accustomed to balancing threats and opportunities in their own lives and for the sake of their families. Through bypassing the entire world of political risk, and focusing on actual risk, the Alt Right can address the actual concerns of people instead of these utopian notions.

Richard Spencer at the University of Florida!

Andrew Anglin
Daily Stormer
October 19, 2017


Update 5:42 PM EST:


We’re all wrapped up.

Thanks to everyone that participated.

Here’s the full speech in high def with good camera angles.

Update 4:41 PM EST:

“I’m just here to socially signal that I hate everything about myself.”

Update 4:35 PM EST:

Told you guys to protest off campus.

Update 4:33 PM EST:

As a former Pizza Hut employee, I just want to chime in here and say that I would have been really happy if I was working and someone took the time to bring me a pizza they cooked at their house in appreciation of all my hard work. That would be a very nice gesture.

I mean, I know that was some kind of a riddle, but I just wanted to throw that out there. If someone did that, I would have really appreciated it when I was working there.

Update 4:25 PM EST:

This is cute.

So far, so good as far as the event goes.

Libshits freak out, university spends $600,000, we get mad media coverage, we look great in front of a bunch of apes.

Mission accomplished.

Update 4:02 PM EST:


Event over.

Best Spencer event yet.

Didn’t even have a speech. Just all the guys on stage getting yelled at and FIGHTING BACK.

Seriously though, this idea of “you have no right to say anything, we’re going to scream the f-word at you and tell you we hate you” is not popular, and it makes these people look like unhinged little babies.

It’s not a good look for them at all.

Millions of people are going to see this and more will read about it. And no one but the Jews is going to say “wow, yelling at that guy instead of letting him give a speech was super brave, wow.”

Update 2:41 PM EST:


Ruptly up top.

Update 2:38 PM EST:

Fox just cut Eli Mosley speech.

Gonna try to find other stream here.

Don’t know why there isn’t an official one.

Update 2:14 PM EST:

Well, we’re 15 minutes away from the scheduled time for the speech to start, and it hasn’t been shutted yet.

The speech is going to be on the Fox 20 stream (second one up top). The other networks are refusing to air it, apparently. They will however be showing the protests outside.

Update 1:35 PM EST:

Doors are opening NAO.

If you are reading this, and there, and didn’t get a ticket – read this and follow step-two.

Update 1:27 PM EST:

Excellent, excellent press conference by Richard Spencer. He was at the top of his game, made the press look like fools, no wonder it’s only shown on Phoenix TV.

It’s well worth watching.

No joke.

Best he’s been, ever.

Mike Enoch is great too.

Update 12:45 PM EST:

Spencer Press conference now!

Click it above!

Update 12:10 PM EST: 

The New York Times just published a piece attacking Spencer.

There are going to be thousands of people protesting.

Again, if you’re going, view the Stormer Plan and follow it.

Update 11:34 AM EST: 

So, George Bush just came out to give a speech ahead of the Richard Spencer event. He denounced “White Supremacy,” along with generally denouncing anyone against globalism and mass immigration, including thinly veiled attacks on Trump.

This is incredible. This guy hardly ever comes out, then they roll him out to talk about Martin Luther Coon the morning of a Spencer speech.

Update 8:39 AM EST: 

Here is my article about the Stormer Plan for the event.

Here is the ticket information.

Richard Spencer will speak at the Phillips Center for the Performing Arts at the University of Florida in Gainsville today.

Doors open at 1:30. But you should be arriving soon, if you’re going.

Happening now.

We’ll have streams soon, for those of you unfortunate enough to not be there.